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Sep
27

Some Thoughts on Saints

We’re a few days away from Milan, where St. Augus­tine finally became a Chris­t­ian, and the day after we’ll overnight in Pavia, home to some relics of St. Augus­tine… which prompts some thoughts on saints.

It’s one of the more obvi­ous dif­fer­ences between Luther­ans and Catholics that they for­mer don’t ven­er­ate or pray to saints and the lat­ter do. The Augs­burg Con­fes­sion, Lutheranism’s “char­ter doc­u­ment,” asso­ciates saint ven­er­a­tion with “child­ish and need­less works” (Arti­cle xx), and that’s what has stuck in the Lutheran insti­tu­tional mem­ory. On the other hand, the Augs­burg Con­fes­sion also says, “Con­cern­ing the cult of the saints our peo­ple teach that the saints are to be remem­bered so that we may strengthen our faith when we see how they expe­ri­enced grace and how they were helped by faith” (Arti­cle xxi). Per­haps it’s time to focus a lit­tle more on that one.

There is more pro-saint evi­dence in the Lutheran con­fes­sional record. Melanchthon gives an account of why Chris­tians should not invoke the saints in prayer (Apol­ogy to the Augs­burg Con­fes­sion, Arti­cle xxi). But he and Luther both allowed for the pos­si­bil­ity that the saints pray for us, and nei­ther of them denied the des­ig­na­tion of some believ­ers as saints in the sense of “extra­or­di­nary wit­nesses to Christ.” In fact, Melanchthon lays out three extremely impor­tant things that saints do for believ­ers that makes “giv­ing honor” to them per­fectly appropriate:

Our con­fes­sion approves giv­ing honor to the saints. This honor is three­fold. The first is thanks­giv­ing: we ought to give thanks to God because he has given exam­ples of his mercy, because he has shown that he wants to save humankind, and because he has given teach­ers and other gifts to the church. Since these are the great­est gifts, they ought to be extolled very highly, and we ought to praise the saints them­selves for faith­fully using these gifts just as Christ praises faith­ful man­agers [Matthew 25:21, 23]. The sec­ond kind of ven­er­a­tion is the strength­en­ing of our faith. When we see Peter for­given after his denial, we, too, are encour­aged to believe that grace truly super­abounds much more over sin [Romans 5:20]. The third honor is imi­ta­tion: first of their faith, then of their other virtues, which peo­ple should imi­tate accord­ing to their call­ings.” (Apol­ogy, Arti­cle xxi)

The dan­ger is that “[w]hen peo­ple try to imi­tate [the saints], for the most part they imi­tate the out­ward prac­tices, but not their faith” (Apol­ogy, Arti­cle xv). But prob­a­bly most Chris­tians, Lutheran and Catholic alike, don’t bother try­ing to imi­tate the saints at all because it seems a hope­less task. Some­how “saint” has come to mean “utterly sin­less in every way,” which is demo­ti­vat­ing not to say inac­cu­rate. “Saint” pop­u­larly also implies “bor­ing.” But some of the great­est saints of church his­tory were down­right odi­ous (St. Jerome and St. Cyril of Alexan­dria come to mind) and many were what we’d call “a character.”

It seems to me that this is a place where there could be a lot of ecu­meni­cal growth. I’ve writ­ten else­where a pro­posal for hagiog­ra­phy from a Lutheran point of view. One way or another, I admit it: I think it’ll be pretty cool to see St. Augustine’s bones.

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5 Responses to Some Thoughts on Saints

    paul sailhamer says:

    I have been out of town with my fam­ily for the last week and missed catch­ing up with your adven­ture each day. Today I caught up. Great to see your progress and God’s prov­i­dence in action (Prov 16:9).

    I appre­ci­ated what you wrote above regard­ing “Saints”. I have only one ques­tion: it seems you are using the word “ven­er­ate” in a slip­pery way. At first it seems the AC was warn­ing against ven­er­at­ing saints as in wor­ship­ping saints, then later you use the word in a strict lex­i­con way of “hon­or­ing”. Do I see a desire to use the word “ven­er­ate” in a way that lets Catholics assume you mean what they mean as well as give Luther­ans per­mis­sion to use the words because it sim­ply means “hon­or­ing”? This goes back to what you wrote about lan­guage ear­lier I suppose.

    Any­way, good to be back “on the road” with you and the group.

      Sarah Wilson says:

      Hi Paul, thanks for your always thought­ful com­ments. I’m using “ven­er­ate” here as “give honor to,” because Catholics do not “wor­ship” the saints in the same way that they wor­ship God. Obvi­ously the long-standing con­cern of Protes­tants is that the dis­tinc­tion between wor­ship of God and ven­er­a­tion of saints is not sharp enough, but we all know that already! The real bone of con­tention is the “invo­ca­tion” of the saints, i.e. call­ing upon them directly for help or favor.

      Per­son­ally, I find Melanchthon’s argu­ments against the invo­ca­tion of the saints per­sua­sive. I also know and appre­ci­ate the spir­i­tual insight of Catholics and Ortho­dox Chris­tians who don’t find his argu­ments per­sua­sive. As a Lutheran I’m not in a posi­tion to tell Catholics or Ortho­dox where their ven­er­a­tion of the saints goes awry because I just don’t know! I’m not inter­ested in repeat­ing stereo­types. My hope is that through ecu­meni­cal fel­low­ship they will attend to any poten­tial prob­lems them­selves. Mean­while, in my own church home, I think we have plenty of room to re-appropriate these pos­i­tive appre­ci­a­tions of the saints that our own con­fes­sional doc­u­ments commend.

    Steve Godsall-Myers says:

    Oh, them dry bones! I was dis­turbed by all the dry bones we saw in the Vat­i­can and I was dis­turbed to learn that altars in the early church could only be con­se­crated for use in Mass when there were bones (a relic) asso­ci­ated with them. I always won­dered how this idea of bones took hold so fast and so quickly in the church. I think it is good to have saints that we can look to for inspi­ra­tion, espe­cially when it is not about dry bones but flesh and blood accounts of tri­als and tribu­la­tions, fail­ures and suc­cesses. At this point in my faith jour­ney, i am just embar­rassed for the church when I see day bones in a case or a reliquey. Steve Godsall-Myers

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